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Bryan Shue: Alright, good morning or afternoon, my name is Bryan Shue here with Shelly Elsliger. Thank you so much for your time this morning, Shelly I really appreciate it. I know our audience will enjoy this message as well as much as I will ’cause that’s another thing like I have been doing these Ives, I’m learning so much from people, so that’s really enlightening for me. I’m gonna defer to you. Kinda tell us about yourself and kind of what you do and where you… What is it that makes Shelly Shelly?
Shelly Elsliger: I’ll start by saying I’m a jack of all trades but Elon in just a few things that I do. I’m a globally recognized LinkedIn trainer, so I’ve been doing LinkedIn training for… It’ll be 10 years next month. So it’s been something that I’ve been developing for a long time, because I don’t just want to increase people’s knowledge of how to tell their online story, through LinkedIn, I actually want to be able to tell them.
I also wanna give them a platform and a tool to help them to elevate themselves personally and professionally and also to empower them to tell their story because not everybody feels comfortable offline, and for those people this can be an awesome way for them to get out of their comfort zone. Especially women. I work a lot with women. My signature workshop is LinkedIn and He heals. Rise up, the meet online.
I’m also a career specialists I’ve been working in that field for well over 15 years, and I work at University of Toronto, and not only in the career development field that I do a lot of the… Well, the majority of the LinkedIn training as well, and I do quite a few things, but a lot of around women empowerment that’s fantastic.
Bryan Shue: And for me, it’s a veteran or women’s veterans community is really special to me because when you speak of the Veteran community, especially here in the United State you always think of somebody like me, the men, but we have such a wonderful women’s group of veterans as well, that’s really special here. Somebody like yourself saying, “I wanna speak to the women, I wanna help them get to that next level.
So what made you get to that point of saying… I won’t work with women, I wanna empower them I want to give them a voice.
Shelly Elsliger: So when I was younger, I was this kind of care-free type of kid I had a super woman as Tum-and the whole work and then eventually when I got into my teen years, I was subject to bullying and then I became later on in my life, it became a career specialist, and I think because I really wanted to help people, but being in that field for a while you kinda see things changing at a very fast rate, and I wanted to be in that change.
And part of that change, I feel that career development is always changing. And so first of all, I really wanted to empower everybody to kind of find their wings to fly, professionally and to do that as early as possible.
And then I guess from a personal standpoint, I had the opportunity to get my voice back, and to pay my way and to be both working for the university, but also an entrepreneur at heart, and I just found myself really invested in meeting women and getting to know women. And he turned out to be…
Well, one time. I’ll give you a little story around it, but I was at this event and it was all about women. It’s after Sheryl Sandberg Lean. So there’s a chapter in Toronto, Canada and I was there. And sometimes I can be strategic at these events who I happen to see one of the speakers, a lawyer go into the wash room.
Shelly Elsliger (Cont’d): So I said, “Well better way than to go into the water and we until she comes out, I didn’t have to go in to see, decided to be strategic, so we both came out at the same time and we ended up having this big discussion.
She told me quite frankly that even though she wanted to be on LinkedIn, she felt like she couldn’t be herself on LinkedIn and didn’t know how she could take her leadership style from offline to online and she was also experienced imposter syndrome, which I thought was really interesting because here you have this high highly recognized lawyer in Toronto who has made a has this reputation that surrounds her.
She can walk into any room but yet she felt that she couldn’t do the same on LinkedIn and at that point it wanted me to even take that idea of working with women and elevating them higher, all women. But it was really interesting that that moment showed me that we all have those times, where we’re gonna feel less than, or not the right person to go to, or we’re gonna question our expertise or we’re going to say, in my… Am I the one that should be putting out articles and why the one that should be seen as a thought leader?
People see me as a thought leader. So that was one event, and I guess the strategy worked out, because having a discussion with her really helped me to build Lincoln, and ideals for women business leaders. And so that’s one of my favorite things to do.Â
Bryan Shue: Well that is fantastic, that’s really something that people even the man I hate saying like that, but even us men don’t talk about that either. So having a voice like yours out there saying This is what this is kind of like this is something that can be done. So this is something special. has been the hardest part of being in that particular space in today’s climate, because there is so major and so much going on with this covid 19 has been like your hardest part of what’s changed for you since all this has been happening.
Shelly Elsliger: I think the biggest thing is I’m kind of a visionary, so for me, I’m constantly learning, I’m constantly wanting to embrace change. So I think what’s hard is when you’re working with people who still remain in close-minded space, like they’re not willing to accept change or they’re not, or they even find it hard.
I’m not saying that it’s a… Like I don’t want I accept change. I think that’s really in grounded inside that there’s fear there, and the fear is so powerful. So instead of them powering over fear, fear powers over them. And I guess I come from, that idea that when fear comes my way, I power fear.
So what I’ve noticed with COVID 19 and everything that’s happening, it just really shows the people that Okay this is happening. How can I get on board, what can I do to change it up a little bit and embrace what’s happening because we can’t control it but what can we do in the meantime?
But then there’s the people over here that really have a closed mind and don’t really necessarily like that, word, but a close-minded idea about embracing the change. They’re trying to control things, whereas I’m kind of like, “This is it. We can’t control it, it’s going to go wherever it’s gonna go. Its Mother Nature, we don’t know where it’s gonna go. It’s uncertain times it’s scary times, but what can we do to either ride with it or even rise above it, in some ways?
So I think that that’s where my struggle is because as an entrepreneur, I can kind of meet a kind of, I guess, can be the leader to to say This is what we’re gonna do or Let’s do this or even tonight, I have a webinar on other ladies, a LinkedIn-like talking about what we can do in those times of change, what we can do to rise above it. But I think that there are times where we’re surrounded by people that would rather they just don’t know how to do that, so that can be a little bit frustrating in the…
So when do you since we are being content you… Many of us are what have you been able to enjoy more? Not at home around your in-girl space? ’cause I know that for a lot of us were like, “Oh good, we can do this. And so I’ve been on for I guess a week, a little over a week and now it took me the first week just to get things set up in my space, and get used to because in my own business, I’m used to doing a lot of things online, when it comes to the university, the university is not the industry, where online career coaching is the thing.
We have an office, we see students, whether it’s feast, to base or workshops, or cool cool events with employers and the whole beauty of networking, and being able to shape that give that professional and she and really make relationships come to be.
Shelly Elsliger (Cont’d): So it took me a while just to kind of set up and get kind of focused but now I’m trying to also focus on me, ’cause for the first week I think that I worked more and forgot about me because I was so worried about just trying to put everything in place.
So even this morning I now set myself up with an online exercise, program from my gym who… What they now have an online exercise program. I get it once a day. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of that. 75, a challenge, but I’ve taken it on…
So the 75D challenge incorporates you do exercise, twice a day, one day is getting one time is getting outside, so I walk for 45 minutes and today do some other kind of exercise here following a follow-up, good eating regime, whatever you choose that to be and listen to at least 10 to 15 minutes or read or listen to.
I like Audible, so I usually listen, is something that is not work related per day, so I’m trying to incorporate all of those things. And by doing that, so it’s only the two. But I feel in good.
Bryan Shue: And I know you talk about on your professional job as a career counselor in college, what would you tell somebody? Even your students the difference between their personal brand and their professional brand, and how would they incorporate those into their messaging, because that’s a big deal now for a lot of companies is how is your professional brain first on your personal brand?
Shelly Elsliger: I guess because I work with LinkedIn a lot for me, that to all was meshed together as time goes on and especially with the future of work we’re going to be looking at the human side of individuals like that, is not going away.
In fact, I believe that that’s gonna be more important than ever. And the technology side and things are changing and we have to be running with them, so I don’t really… For me, it’s not so much of the change, I don’t really separate them, I actually try to bring them together because I don’t think that’s enough.
In fact, I think it’s is it takes a way from what a person has to offer when they kind of silo each one of them, so I… Because there are so many things we need to be as human beings and as leaders and the team team members and all of those things require us to look at our personal side and what we want them to be.
So, I don’t really separate that I just want…
I tried to say What kind of branding statement can you make based? So I’m putting those two together, and not only looking at personal-professional but social and cultural and all of those things that you may have built along your path. When I… Like the blindness, it’s not an online resume it’s actually be your career story.
Shelly Elsliger (Cont’d): So it’s always been about holistically presenting yourself because if you think about a networking event, and… And you talk about what you do or you talk about your title, nobody remember… Is that…
And nobody cares at the end of the day, what your title is, or even the job that you do ’cause it can often be the same as everybody else’s in a networking situation, what people walk away with and why they remember you, or why they wanna connect with you again, is because you spur then you’ve connected with them, they remember something that was kind of really individualized with you, it was unique to you, but it really struck something maybe a story.
There are so many things, but if you think about it, why do you go back and connect with somebody? Not because they’re the same as everybody else, but because they stood out. So I don’t think it’s a question of separating I think it’s a question of bringing together and then pulling from that to make something that is unique and not worrying about what other people are doing and saying about themselves but what you can say about yourself that really stand out.
I walk on fire over year if I get into a discussion about walking on fire every year guaranteed that’s what people remember what we… And that’s what people wanna talk about because they’re fascinated that I have to start mine. You’re off by walking on fire.
Bryan Shue: That is silly really cool to me. But that’s what you were saying, it’s correct, it’s like How are you gonna be memorable to somebody if you just saying something that’s very generic and very… Just like, “Okay I’ve heard this story 20 other times from other people. So, what makes you different?
Here’s a question that’s been asked to me and there’s no real perfect answer, but I wanna hear some perspectives is what advice would you give somebody that says Shelly? I’ve been laid off because of this, pandemic. What should I be doing, where should I be going how should I, what could I do to kind of overcome this?
Shelly Elsliger: I think what we have to do at this point in time, is to open ourselves up to the opportunities that we may take on at this time. I think we have to realize where are those opportunities gonna live?
I think that people who I think people who think that jobs are only the ones we go to that’s gonna change because there are a lot of jobs out there that are remote.
I know one of my favorite sites is, and that’s all about remote jobs all over the world. And if you take a look at that, there’s everything from career coaching, to Marketing Management and Digital Marketing, and I mean business development in the… And different levels ready everywhere from an internship to a CEO.
So things are just changing. And I don’t even think that it’s just because of what’s happening now, I think that that’s… We’re gonna see that even when things get back to normal things are not gonna go back to our normal we are, going to have to, I almost think that this… What’s happening now, it’s not great, it doesn’t make us happy, it’s taking away from a lot of people, it’s causing pain to a lot of people and a lot of that whole insecurity type feeling, and it’s not fun for the majority of us.
Shelly Elsliger (Cont’d): But I also think that this is almost just a sign, there’s a sign there, that’s telling us that things are changed in… Maybe we didn’t want this kind of a sign, I’m sure we didn’t, but I really believe that it’s a sign and when we get back to what we consider normal, it’s still not gonna be the normal we…
We know before it’s gonna be a new kind of normal because working in working with a lot of employers and working with students and I have seen so many changes where it’s not the old idea of… I’ll tell you what to do. And then you go and do it, it just doesn’t work anymore and it doesn’t give employers what they need.
So there’s gonna be a real focus on This is what I need and you have to get yourself up there. And so I think… And what you have to get yourself up to those skills are gonna be different than what we used to think. Like for example, nobody used to talk about resiliency, nobody is to talk about resiliency, but it’s actually something that you better be prepared to talk about in an interview.
So just things like that little… They might see little but they’re huge, because resiliency and not like networking relationship building.
So you see these things coming out and they’re different than what employers expected you to talk about on your resume or through your LinkedIn story.
You have to be able to be prepared to talk about how you are now going to base the future work and how things are gonna work differently for you, but how you can actually custom yourself to that agility and and being able to adapt is gonna be a big one as well.
Bryan Shue: Well, what I mean, you gave some really great points there, it really, it gave me some ideas of that. So, something that you were mentioning is the resiliency part and this is not going to be your standard. Go into office you work eight hours, you go home.
It’s more than that now, but here’s a question for you. I know this is probably a hot topic for us. How do you stay connected when you’re dealing with social distancing. Or self-isolation or quarantine or what’s your favorite way to connect with your people that are all of an over even a liver, the world.
Shelly Elsliger: I bet you know my answer. They’ll be down. It’s like the thing about having a really solid community online, and I’ve been preaching this for many years tend to be exact, so… And people used to challenge me on that.
Well, I’ll never be the same as offline, but then something like this happens, and LinkedIn is not going to wait my community on Linked In a stronger than ever to be honest because we’re all coming together to help each other, whether that’s because that’s opportunity whether it’s to share resources, whether it’s to offer something new whether it’s to introduce you to the right people. I mean, there are so many people are collaborating on so many different initiatives so I can’t stress it enough to have an online community.
Mine happens to be linked in, but there are also other online communities that people can be attached to in the same way, but having that online community, I guess we don’t realize how important it is until something like this happens, where you have to sell isolate.
Bryan Shue: I’m a community person. A few years ago, I had both the mentor and both tell me that I am true, and through 10 of 10, a community person. So I do everything. Community exercise, even the things I do well, even like it, I do everything community-wise, off and online.
Shelly Elsliger: So the thought of self-isolation is very, very challenging for me but I have to say that having an online community and connecting with them on a regular basis is really important, because they were there before and they’re there now, and they’ll be there after, so it’s not like I had to build a new community.
The community was already there, and we’ve gotten stronger for it, in the tale and then on its line, it’s just about really making sure that we do have ways to connect and there are so many opportunities for…
Bryan Shue: Yeah, I just heard that edX and more universities and colleges all over the world are after, and offering something like 16000 free courses to people just in order for them to have the skills they need to communicate with other people.
Shelly Elsliger: That’s awesome. I’m really involved with LinkedIn Learning and just like in learning alone, they opened up two learning paths on to how to effectively work remotely, and the second one was like how to… Well, the first one was working remotely, and then the other one was how to actually build your skills and how to deliver online like how to do something online effectively. If you have never done that if your work is always pushed you to do something offline?
Shelly Elsliger: This course will allow you, and help you to transfer that online. And these are all free in the real world, you’ll be paying a lot of money for them. So if you do any kind of research, I know I’ve been putting in a lot of different links on LinkedIn to help people but there are so many offerings that are free and we can take advantage of them.
They’re for everybody, yeah. And I know there’s been several the colleges, they’ve actually opened up their courses for those to are stuck at home to view us, and they’re taught by their actual professors. So it’s like you’re getting some top-notch education from Yale, Harvard.
Bryan Shue: Yeah, you’re right, it’s all over the world. But this is a time of personal development and we should take advantage of… And for you as a leader, what would you tell your fellow leaders about being effective during this time here?
Shelly Elsliger: Think about it for being an effective leaders checking in with your team and your teammates on a regular basis, maybe providing resources that you may not have provided in the past, but making sure that you’re thinking about those resources, not just from what they can offer to other people, if their job requires it, but resources that they can use to kind of help themselves through this time.
I think that great leaders we really think about the people that were surrounded by, and the people that we can help put and even let in people know some really great opportunities online that they can take advantage of it. And I guess, again, personal and professional, we have to…
It’s nice to think about everything like work work work but at the end of the day, if we don’t feel good and we’re feeling unhealthy and we’re having trouble with all of this uncertainty that around us surrounds us, how can we really be good professionally and working with clients or customers or teams or…
So it’s really important to just as a leader to focus on what we can give from a personal and professional standpoint, and you really covered that very well, and about even being effectively or is offering that, and this is what her from other people is being that voice for your people, being that voice is saying.
I know we’re all struggling I know we’re all going through stuff, we’re going to get through this together because we are a team, we are our family. And that’s… I think how we need to start approaching this is when you’re going to work, you’re going into another family, your her safe and I…
Shelly Elsliger (Cont’d): These people want to be treated with respect, they wanna be treated if they have a voice. And I know one of my… On my good friends through LinkedIn, 10 seaward, at Marlowe were for a while. He’s been preaching. This is, this is the future of work is you’re not going in for a job you’re going into for a particular skill set that you bring to the organization. They’ll push their mission forward.
And now I think we’re starting to see that actually coming to life and in such a strange time because it wasn’t expected, and how we’re like… Well, now we can’t just hire for… Can you check off these boxes? Do you have these particular skills? You mentioned resiliency networking relationship building emotional intelligence, those are big things that you need to not only just be a leader inside the organization, but also to be able to work inside the organization.
Shelly Elsliger: I always say Who are you behind the title?Â
The attendant titles are fleeting. It’s what you have both inside you and what you portray to the people around you, is what really matters the most and I know it’s really during this time period, we can really reflect on that and say, besides what my title says with them, I thing about myself.
Bryan Shue: To migrate, or audios on LinkedIn, and in person, and that’s kind of what drives some of us, especially me, being a military and veteran, certainly in the military for over 11 years, during this time I’m like, “And I’ve concert with this in my community, it’s like, this is like a deployment, to me, I’m in the different… I don’t really have any words to go, I can’t really just go anywhere. I have my stuff in my house I have my job, and that’s I…
I’m gonna focus on this and when I focus on my job on focus on the mission which is my job and I’m gonna get that done to the best of my abilities for “How are my hours I can do and then when it’s time to shut down, I shut down I go sit down somewhere and then I just relaxed until that next time for me to jump up and do my job again, and it’s kind of funny because the civilian side or doesn’t really realize that but when you’re a veteran that’s been deployments like I have…
We’re used to being isolated were used to being so focused hyper-focus really on our what we’re doing, so for us, we’re just like, “Oh you know, I… Alright, cool. I’ve been here before. This is cultural, but most people are like, “Oh my God, I don’t know how to deal with this, I’m like that.
All right, cool, yeah you just shot me you shot me back to a rock again. But hey, here I am. But we got… Yeah, we need to talk to more people like you and I love being able to share this because it is like you have to understand this is not a time to panic. This is try to evaluate into reflect on What are you doing, both personal and like you said personal and professional stop trying to silo those two and say, “You know what, they’re on the same.
Because who I am personally, can also be who I am professionally, so I… And that’s an important growth aspect for a lot of professionals, too. So I wanna ask you, where can people go to connect with you?Â
Shelly Elsliger: I don’t think, myself, but give a lot of pain, a lot of things forward and that it’s what I do every day. I also have a website called “Linked express CA, and I have a new campaign called The decide to be kind campaign, and this started January 1st, 2020. and it’s very meaning for me.
So a lot of that information is on my website, but it’s also on LinkedIn as well but it’s a campaign against building on LinkedIn because bullying on LinkedIn happens, but it’s often subtle line goes unnoticed and people don’t believe that’s happening, but it’s a critical thing, to know because this is people’s professional lives that we’re working with on LinkedIn, so when we have bullion LinkedIn, it can be pretty detrimental to some people’s careers. And I’ve seen people go off of LinkedIn.
So, I was believed when I was younger as a teen. And I found my voice back on LinkedIn, so I will do everything above 100% to make sure that this platform remains a safe and positive and influential environment for not only for the people that are on there and enjoying the platform now and benefiting from it, but the younger generations, the students in university in college that are going to need line in, and it’s not going to be a question of whether they’ll use it, they will.
Shelly Elsliger (Cont’d): It’s a must. Because the resume as we talked about earlier, is not able to do what it needs to do for employers and recruiters to make a decision on that candidate future with that.
It’s just not possible through a resume anymore, so more and more employers are wanting more and more, and they’re not able to get it through resume so this is really important. And I want them to feel that the space is safe and I want them to enjoy it and I want them to navigate it, and I want them to tell their stories.
So I have a iPad and it’s the decide to be kind responder it every day. You can be a linked in super hero, and these respond since January. 1-2020 have gone all around the world, and we’re united in this message and I’m really proud of it because it encompasses why I really think about kindness, and kindness is currency. So being able to understand that whole idea about social reciprocity is so important, especially at times like this. So more information on my website.
Bryan Shue: Yeah, no that was… Well, I was about to ask you is what inspiring message which I like to share with our viewers as we repeat that message right there was like Right that LAS Gelman those are watching here. This is what this message is about, this is why the full Madigan team is we all in on this lot down series that we’re doing here, is to share, we’re all in this together, in one against the other, it we’re humans, and we all need to be planning for our best efforts every day.
You put for a positive message and to push those people that maybe I have mentioned earlier that have been laid out, how can we help them, give them some, like, “Hey what I know you’re in the bad situation, let’s work and let’s kind of make this a better situation for you. Maybe we can’t get the A, but you can provide you some hope.
The takeaway from all of this: there is hope.Â
So, and that’s the biggest part that I think we can take away from this, is there’s hope out there. You just… They didn’t maybe go find it or you might need to go find the people they’re like talking about it because if you get stuck in the same barrel, you’re gonna get the same message over and maybe time, you get into a new barrel with something people.
Shelly Elsliger: Yeah, it’s just like the Comfort Zone. Everybody said I wanna stay in my comfort is when you think about your comfort. So one’s not that comfortable anyway. No, no, I…
I really want to go the comfort of… Because when people say I wanna say, my comfort zone, but then they want change, and that’s an indication that the comfort zone is not really that comfortable after all. So, no, I absolutely use.
It’s the one that’s out more on say, I think a lot of people get confused on it’s like, “Oh I’m gonna be a comfort zone. Oh, it’s… You’re comfortable. You don’t need to talk about change, you don’t need to talk about a new job or a new career or more money or whatever, knew something in your comfortable. You’ll need anything, you’re right where you’re at. But so many people are like, “Oh I want something new. Who… That’s not a comfort.I think that’s just it. That’s like the total opposite of conference.
Bryan Shue: But Shelly I thank you so much for your time today, I really appreciate it. I know our viewers will be excited to hear from you and I hope more of them reach out to you and or that conversation because special on the women’s side.
I hope our women that are watching this or reach out to you to have that conversation of how can they be better leaders inside our organizations or if they wanna become leaders, what do they need to do with today, “How can they be showed that potential because I think a lot of people will get over that Polly should never be overworking.
Shelly Elsliger: Unfortunately, I think a lot of more women, and I know it’s a big concern for me because at the end of the day, I don’t care if your man, woman, child, whatever, you have the skill to do that, by God, just take the reins and lead the organization.
And it doesn’t measure 18 or 50 if you have that skill or you know how to do it in the seat should be yours, it should be, it should be held just for a particular individual, should be held for the person that shows the best potential and also the best skills or leaving. So anyways, I address both that that’s not our guys, right?
I mean, thinking about that there are even high schools that are reaching to me, for me to go in and teach students about LinkedIn at the higher level of high school and I think it’s wonderful, I think it’s just like, Wow, this is great. And then I wanna hug the teachers because I’m like… This is exactly what has to happen. So they had the ball rolling already, and they’re already thinking about how they can lead online too. By the time they get the university or college which is I think, amazing and it should be…
And that’s one thing for me is, in my personal development is like I knew about my thing. Yes, actually, do we think? No, I, in doing things to… I got to college and and Ed college, high school, forms back in 2000, college for me was in the 2010. I could have been building my brand for the past seven plus years. If I knew what I was doing if it was actually, if I was educated in that process, but it wasn’t talked about, I, I was almost doing college and it’s like, “Well I got this thing, let me start using it.
“LinkedIn is not a bad thing” -Shelly Elsliger
Shelly Elsliger (Cont’d): But hopefully that message keep spreading and that idea keeps being shared that this LinkedIn platform is not a bad thing, it’s a good thing. And it’s gonna help you, it’s only gonna help you, it’s never going to hurt you.
And what’s really cool able linked to is that they really want the platform to be a catalyst to help veterans as well and they push that they push that worldwide.
So I really have to give them kudos for that because they even offered free courses on LinkedIn Learning free resources to some of us teachers wanna work with that population, and I think it’s wonderful that they’ve taken that and said We’re not gonna stand back and watch we’re gonna try to be part of helping that population connect with the LinkedIn platform help it to benefit them.
Bryan Shue: So I think that, yeah, it as a user is US Veteran. We get it for year into premium which is fantastic. I didn’t realize value in it. I took Adagio in and I started sharing it out, and more and more of us have been joined the premium platform and it, it’s been incredible seeing the amount of individuals have successful left military service, and joined the corporate ranks.
And now, looking back and saying, “Hey Jim, you’re getting out after 20 years, how can I help you tell your story so you can join my organization word, maybe not joined my personally, but you can join maybe a friend. I have bacon, Amer Chase City Bank whatever any company you can think of that’s fortunate. 500 Bower.
Having our community reach back out and say I’m in this company, how can I open a door for you? And that’s been fantastic and that only I’m sorry, but that would have came through anything, but relationships through LinkedIn and then again I… It’s but I’ve preached on, I know I preach on a lot. Is those relationships on linking our vital to success down the road?
And that’s another thing, people are like… Oh, I want right now, right now it’s applicable. It may happen a month or month because again, relationships aren’t overnight, they take time and I tell people all the time is people don’t hire people just because they sound right, they are ’cause they trust them.It’s trust is a key trust as currency in it is.
But Thanks, Shelly, thank you so much for your time, I really appreciate it, I loved our conversation today and I hope we can continue this on the edit down the road after maybe after this is over.
Shelly Elsliger: Absolutely, I think for having me and thank you for all the listeners and I’m truly happy to pay anything, pay anything, forward all my knowledge. And I’m a big believer in paying goodness forward. So that’s fantasy. Thank you so much Holly. How do you have a great day? Take care of yourself out there, be safe and… Well, we’ll catch up again.
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